Fulla Wanted In Tunisia
Hijab-Clad Fulla 'Wanted' in Tunisia
TUNIS — No sooner had as the new academic year begun in Tunisia than security forces raided soft-toy shops across the country to withdraw Fulla, the doll, which inspired millions of Muslim girls worldwide, eclipsing the American and world's best-selling Barbie.
"Security forces have cracked down on shops and confiscated all goods bearing Fulla's photo," Tunisian shoppers and merchants told IslamOnline.net Friday, September 22, on condition of anonymity.
The raids have caused fear in the Abu Ken community. "They are in political limbo", a source said.
posted by Leilouta @ 11:08 PM
28 Comments:
At 1:31 AM,
karim2k said…
Fullah or Folla, is still sold in Tunisia in many malls and superstores, Islamonline are big liars !
check out my 1 year old post http://karim2k.phpmagazine.net/2005/12/fulah_the_dream_of_every_arabi.html
At 3:58 AM,
Skydancer said…
Il manquait plus que ça... ne9sin ettwensa?..
At 5:38 AM,
Alphaprimer said…
the article proclaimed, "Islam sees Hijab as an obligatory code of dress, not a religious symbol displaying one’s affiliations."
Now, what the hell is the truth??, we need a common and succinct answer, because the people who support the hijab say it is, and those who don't, well dont.
We need some clarity here.
At 7:55 AM,
hebe said…
isn't it funny how much rucus a mere plastic doll can make !
this reminds me about the big fuss the body shop ruby doll made .
it was basically a fat doll which pokes fun at our limited perceptions of beauty . mattel the makers of barbie sent the body shop a cease and dessist order because apparently ruby made barbie look bad!
At 8:55 AM,
Anonymous said…
In the west most perceive radical muslims as acting like bratty children, now they are fighting over a doll... how appropriate.
At 9:59 AM,
Abu Sinan said…
I think all Islamic scholars and thinkers agree that the hijab is mandatory. I think the difference is how this is implimented.
Not wearing the hijab has no listed punishment, unlike most everything else under Shar'ia law.
The moderates would take the view that it is required, but it is an issue between God and the women and no one else. This is the way it is in the vast majority of the Muslim world.
The extremists would tell you that it should be made mandatory whether the woman wants to or not. The best example of this is Saudi Arabia.
Personally, neither my wife nor my daughter wear the hijab, although they both recognise the fact that they should. It is their personal choice and one that I have not choosen to wade in on. It is between them and God, as a man, whether I am the husband or the father, I have no right to force it on them.
They are free people and have the right to make a free choice.
What the extremists need to keep in mind is the concept of "niya" or "intention" in Islam. Everything you do is judged by the intention in which you do it.
Thus, forcing women to wear hijab when they would not do so on their own, does not help them in the slightest as their intention is not there.
Not only that, I would argue that forcing women to wear the hijab when their is no Qur'anic injunction, nor anything in the Hadeeth, would be in itself haraam and a sin.
At 10:06 AM,
Big Trap Boy said…
Ridiculous story, we have bigger problems to worry about here than a plastic doll!
At 10:51 AM,
Ha Ana Za said…
Well I actually love the Fulla doll. When I was a kid I used to get my mom to make me hijabi barbies from all different countries. Niqabi Barbie, Slutty yet Muhjaba Barbie etc etc. It's kinda of sad that Mummy's job is now over.
At 11:31 AM,
Mr. Smarterthanyou said…
And Muslims wonder why they always feel the rest of us look down on them.
It is because we do. This kind of thing is asinine, infantile and all too common in Islamic countries. The authorities must have caught up on their backlog of women that needed stoning, beating etc.
The west needs to isolate the ME until you guys get yourselves ready for the 21st century. Heck, we would settle for the 18th century. If it wasn't for unearned oil wealth, Muslim society would have to actually accomplish something in order for the rest of the world to give a darn.
When are you people going to rise up and get your act together? Do you even want to?
At 1:44 PM,
Massir said…
Hi,
I'll try to write my comment in English. I hope i'll not do lot of mistakes!
I don't know it is false or true. I'm going to check, i'll go to a toys shop or supermarket.
In case it is true, i agree. I'm against, totally against the hijab. I don't want our little girls to play with such dolls. I don't want our little girls have such exemples.
Tunisian women are FREE, and must keep their freedom.
Bourguiba, our grand mothers and mothers struggled for their rights, for equality and for freedom.
Nowadays, because of TV channels, such as IQRAH, lot of people want us to go backwards.
I refuse that.
http://massir.blogs.psychologies.com/
At 3:48 PM,
Lilly said…
Sorry to say this massir but am against what you have said, it's you who wants to go backwards! You are comparing hijab as its some kinda filthy disease but its not!!! I do wear hijab and to let you know I AM FREE, it never bounded me or limited or even made me feel less that a human being.
Being religious or committed to your religion is never considered a crime!
Did you ever try to listen on what's on these TV channels, such as IQRAH?
At 5:49 PM,
Massir said…
To Lilly,
Sorry Lilly, my english is not very good. I cannot explain.
If you understand french, i invite you on my blog. You will understand my opinion.
http://massir.blogs.psychologies.com/
At 8:50 PM,
Cairogal said…
Wouldn't a choice be what makes wearing the hageb free? A woman who chooses to wear it and is not forbidden by law to do so...well, it would seem that she is free. On the side other side of the coin: the woman who chooses not to wear it, and is not forced by any government or individual-is she not also free?
Banning a doll-that does not seem like freedom to me.
At 2:00 AM,
tooners said…
What's the point behind this? I don't get it.
They sell this doll here.. I saw her not long ago in Mothercare.
At 3:24 AM,
removedalready said…
it's not banned in Syria. Oh come on it's just a doll. it's not a toy gun!
At 3:34 AM,
Massir said…
To redenclave:
It's worst!!!!
At 3:08 PM,
programmer craig said…
Thus, forcing women to wear hijab when they would not do so on their own, does not help them in the slightest as their intention is not there.
Not only that, I would argue that forcing women to wear the hijab when their is no Qur'anic injunction, nor anything in the Hadeeth, would be in itself haraam and a sin.
And yet, I'm guessing you supported the Taliban in Afghanistan (since they were in alliance with your boy Osama) so is what you just said your true belief, or a clever disguise?
At 2:38 AM,
Seneferu said…
This comment comes late, but I just want to thank you for this hilarious post:)
At 6:57 AM,
Abu Sinan said…
I was never a supporter of the Taliban or Osama bin Laden. I suspect this is the same way you treat any practicing Muslim.
I think the only Muslim you accept without criticism are those who do not practice their faith or those who reject it.
Sorry, but it is entirely possible for a Muslim to be devout in their faith AND reject the terrorists.
Once again Criag, why dont you get over the personal attacks on me? Your obsession with me is really bording on the unhealthy.
At 9:10 AM,
Prisme said…
Cher Abu Sibnan
Quand vous écriviez :
" I think all Islamic scholars and thinkers agree that the hijab is mandatory. I think the difference is how this is implimented."
Vous montrez à la fois votre méconnaissance et votre attachement aveugle à un islam déshistoricisé et dogmatisé par les états et les juristes. Que serait votre islam sans le juridisme et le conservatisme ?
Croyez-vous qu'il suffit de se démarquer d'un Ben Laden pour se poser comme un partisan de l'islam pur ? Le chemin est long et le travail de remise en cause des couches sédimentées de dogmatismes, le monde arabe n'est pas prêt à le faire. C'est peut-être pourquoi nous fuyons vers l'Occident...
A propos de cette poupée, que penserez vous d'un jeu vidéo qui représenterait héroïquement des combattants musulmans en plein Jihad en Afghanistan ou ailleurs ? Penserez-vous qu'il ne s'agit que d'un scénario virtuel sans aucun impact sur les adolescents ?
Fulla, c'est de l'islamisme simplifié à l'usage des enfants, c'est à dire de "sujets" qui n'ont pas encore l'aptitude intellectuelle pour choisir une religion. Un vrai musulman est pour moi quelqu'un qui s'affranchit de sa tradition et de cette "illusion" que secrètent les états et les juristes institutionnalisés et qu'on appelle communément "Islam". La cuisine du sacré, y'en a marre !
Bouffez vous-autres de cette cuisine qu'on vous sert! Et surtout, ne lisez pas les intellectuels critiques, chassez les de vos pays et confondez les avec le diable !
Prisme
At 11:48 AM,
Abu Sinan said…
My French isnt good enough to sit here and respond in French, so I will respond in English:
Prisme-Vous montrez à la fois votre méconnaissance et votre attachement aveugle à un islam déshistoricisé et dogmatisé par les états et les juristes. Que serait votre islam sans le juridisme et le conservatisme ?
Abu Sinan-I am well aware of the history of Islam, thank you. because I dont agree with you means I must not know what I am talking about? It is might conceded of you to think that your view of hsitory is the only one out there. I dont think you know anything about me if you are going to harp on legalism and the like. That is not the Islam I follow, nor is Islam one giant monolith where one can make that statement. That is classic Orientalism on your part.
Prisme-Croyez-vous qu'il suffit de se démarquer d'un Ben Laden pour se poser comme un partisan de l'islam pur ? Le chemin est long et le travail de remise en cause des couches sédimentées de dogmatismes, le monde arabe n'est pas prêt à le faire. C'est peut-être pourquoi nous fuyons vers l'Occident...
Abu Sinan- I never claimed to be a "partisan de l'islam pur". That is you putting your thoughts on me. I think it is only right and proper to question any and all facits of Islam. As a believer, I think it will stand up to the test, and I think time has shown that. As to why Muslims flee to the West, I would think after my travels in the Middle East and North Africa, as well as being a part of these communities both here in the USA and Europe, that it has much more to do with economic reasons than anything else. What else would explain why the people of the poorer Muslim nations like Morroco, Tunisia, Egypt and the like tend to emmigrate at much higher levels than those in areas where there is more money, like the UAE? If this was about fleeing because one cannot question things, they would flee in equal numbers from Kuwait and UAE, yet they do not.
Prisme-A propos de cette poupée, que penserez vous d'un jeu vidéo qui représenterait héroïquement des combattants musulmans en plein Jihad en Afghanistan ou ailleurs ? Penserez-vous qu'il ne s'agit que d'un scénario virtuel sans aucun impact sur les adolescents ?
Abu Sinan-I think this is common everywhere. He in the USA we have all sorts of video games that extoll the virtues of violence, of joining the military to go attack others, video games that revele in the past conflicts. Why blame Islam/Muslims for doing what others do? Do you think there is a direct link between these video games here in the USA and the thousands of people that are murdered here every year?
Prisme-Fulla, c'est de l'islamisme simplifié à l'usage des enfants, c'est à dire de "sujets" qui n'ont pas encore l'aptitude intellectuelle pour choisir une religion. Un vrai musulman est pour moi quelqu'un qui s'affranchit de sa tradition et de cette "illusion" que secrètent les états et les juristes institutionnalisés et qu'on appelle communément "Islam". La cuisine du sacré, y'en a marre !
Abu Sinan-All religions are simplified for children who do not yet have the rationality to pick their own religion. I was raised Protestant in an otherwise Catholic family. When I became older I questioned what I was taught. This quest lead me to Islam where I made the choice to become a Muslim on my own, without knowing any Muslims at all. This is probably good, because on the whole, I am less than impressed with the Muslims I have met. From Morrocco, UAE, to the UK and now the USA, they are completely unimpressive as a community. But that is fine, one does not choose their religion based on it's followers. At least I didnt, I chose Islam based on it's principles. Like Bernard-Shaw said, Islam is the greatest religion with the worst followers. I agree.
At 6:19 PM,
Massir said…
Abou Sinan: have you read the book:
"Why I'm not a Muslim" Ibn Warraq?
At 8:47 PM,
Abu Sinan said…
Yes, I have read the book by Ibn Warraq, the well known former Muslim.
I make it a point to read all sorts of books that span both sides of the divide. You'll find Daniel Pipes on myself along with Edward Said, Bernard Lewis, Tariq Ali and Noam Chomsky.
Only an idiot reads only what reinforces their opinion.
I have read Irshad Manji and Nomani as well.
At 12:05 PM,
Prisme said…
Salut Abu Sinan,
Je ne te visais pas personnellement mais quelques unes de tes idées me paraissent assez problématiques. Tu sais, le mot même d'orientalisme est devenu suspect dans nos pays et confine à l'insulte. Or, je pense que l'époque a changé, les meilleurs spécialistes et historiens de l'islam se retrouvent en Occident ou hors de chez eux (pays musulmans). Mais je te rassure, je sais bien faire le partage entre ce qui relève de la vision occidentale de l'islam et ce qui relève de l'identitarisme des musulmans braqué contre l'Occident.
L'enjeu n'est pour nous pas théorique mais vital. Un jeu vidéo version "fulla" et Jihad à la fois serait une catastrophe éducative. Je suis algérien et l'islamisme a fait régresser mon pays de deux siècles.
Si tu es en Occident, oui, tu peux peut-être sous les lois de la démocratie te permettre une tolérance vis à vis de cet islamisme à l'usage des enfants. Pas nous, dont les droits fondamentaux (manger pendant Ramadhan par exemple) sont menacés...
Je n'ai pas d'internet pour discuter plus longuement.
Bien à toi,
Prisme
At 12:50 PM,
Abu Sinan said…
Prisme-Je ne te visais pas personnellement mais quelques unes de tes idées me paraissent assez problématiques. Tu sais, le mot même d'orientalisme est devenu suspect dans nos pays et confine à l'insulte. Or, je pense que l'époque a changé, les meilleurs spécialistes et historiens de l'islam se retrouvent en Occident ou hors de chez eux (pays musulmans). Mais je te rassure, je sais bien faire le partage entre ce qui relève de la vision occidentale de l'islam et ce qui relève de l'identitarisme des musulmans braqué contre l'Occident.
Abu Sinan- So who would you say are the best experts in Islam and the Middle East? I would be interested in who you would point to as that would explain to me a lot about what you think. For me? Although I read them all, I think the thoughts and ideas of people like Edward Said, Tariq Ramadan, Tariq Ali and Robert Fisk would nicely cover the writers I most agree on when it comes to Islam and current politics in the Middle East. I guess my favourite blogger on the politics of the area would be As'ad over at The Angry Arab and Juan Cole.
Prisme-L'enjeu n'est pour nous pas théorique mais vital. Un jeu vidéo version "fulla" et Jihad à la fois serait une catastrophe éducative. Je suis algérien et l'islamisme a fait régresser mon pays de deux siècles.
Abu Sinan- I realise this discussion is important and vital. As a part of the Muslim community, I realise this. As to Algeria, I dont think you can blame your situation solely on Islam. Dont the people who over throw the democratic elections there in the 1990s have some blame for events there? Or does Democracy only matter when those you support are elected into office? It isnt Islam that has made your country go 200 years back into time, look at countries like the UAE, which could arguably be labeled the most advanced country in the world. Are they any less Muslim than Algeria? If not, why has not Islam held them back? Why is it holding Algeria back when it is not holding back the UAE? I think what caused the issue in Algeria was the inability of some people to respect democratic elections, and the barbarity of those who fought against this injustice, using Islam to justify their actions.
Prisme-Si tu es en Occident, oui, tu peux peut-être sous les lois de la démocratie te permettre une tolérance vis à vis de cet islamisme à l'usage des enfants. Pas nous, dont les droits fondamentaux (manger pendant Ramadhan par exemple) sont menacés...
Abu Sinan-I am from the West, yes. I have lived in Europe and the USA, but I have traveled all over the Middle East and portions of North Africa. I think the key is for people to be allowed to make their own choice. I reject the idea that radical secularists can ban things like the hijab or religious instruction for children. At the same time I reject the idea that Islam should be forced on people. I believe religion is a completely personal choice that should not be forced on anyone. I believe we are threatened by the radicals on all sides, Christian, Muslim and secular who seek to force their ideas upon us.
I hope the best for you and your family as well. It is dialogue, respect and understanding that is needed.
At 10:59 AM,
Prisme said…
Bonsoir Abu Sinan,
- So who would you say are the best experts in Islam and the Middle East? I would be interested in who you would point to as that would explain to me a lot about what you think.
>>> J'ai beaucoup aimé l'orientalisme d'Edward Saïd et j'ai le plus grand respect pour ce penseur malgré ce qui me semble être ses limites (la quasi-anhistoricité des représentations orientalistes qu'il décrit par exemple). Ceci dit, il ne me semble pas être un spécialiste de l'islam. Je citerai entre autres spécialistes critiques : Maxime Rodinson, Mohammed Arkoun, Alfred Louis de Preimare, Abdulkarim Soroush, Nasr Hamid abu Zeyd. Un livre publié récemment en France fait le point sur ces derniers : Benzine Rachid, Les nouveaux penseurs de l'islam, Albin Michel, 2004. On apprend avec ces gens que ce qui semble être le plus établi en islam n'est en réalité qu'une illusion de religion sécrétée par les dogmes et les siècles...
- As to Algeria, I dont think you can blame your situation solely on Islam. Dont the people who over throw the democratic elections there in the 1990s have some blame for events there?...
>>> Là, je te vois venir et je m'oppose absolument et complètement à ta vision. Premièrement, je parlais d'islamisme et non pas d'islam. Ce que tu défends sur l'Algérie est la thèse la plus courante sur Internet, thèse qui a bénéficié de soutiens internationaux aux détriment de la vérité.
Je te convie à voir un film réalisé par des journalistes algériens intitulé "Algérie, autopsie d'une tragédie".
La réalité est que la forme de nouvel islam adopté en Algérie par des jeunes puis des populations fanatisées était de l'islamisme. Des leaders islamistes ont profité de la démocratie pour comploter contre elle dans le secret. Ils ont bénéficié de l'indulgence ignorante des politiques pour mener un travail de propagande à grande échelle. Ils ont mis la société à ébullition comme on met une chaudron sur le feu. L'interruption du processus electoral en 1992 était salutaire. On avait empêché un Hitler de parvenir au pouvoir pour supprimer les libertés démocratiques. La riposte des islamistes a été le terrorisme qu'ils ont toujours pratiqué au sein de leur parti. On a toujours prêché la haine contre toutes les formes d'opposition à leur parti, particulièrement l'opposition francophone qu'ils ont qualifié d'héritiers du colonialisme...
J'essayerai de répondre au reste la prochaine fois .
Merci pour ton esprit de dialogue !
:-) Prisme
At 8:56 AM,
Anonymous said…
As muslims have much bigger problems to worry about than a Hijjab or a doll. Let's wake up and smell the coffee PLEASE!!
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