Leilouta

Friday, July 06, 2007

White Legged Women

My last post brought out some very bright commenters who tell me that I should have married a Muslim man because they believe my American husband can leave at any time for any “white legged woman”. They also warned me that Americans force their women to “show off their wrists and neck and subject wives to God knows what”. At first I was confused, because I have white legs, at least in the winter. Secondly, I was alarmed because, not only do I show wrists and neck but I wear a bikini! I must already be under the American spell.

Here is a video that I am sure these bright commenters would agree with. It describes the proper way to handle your wife on your wedding night. The video is in Arabic so here is an English summary:



After the wedding is over and the family and friends leave, step into the house with your right foot and say a blessing. Right after the blessing proceed to the bedroom. The bedroom should have very low lighting with soft colors and be very romantic. The groom should then show his love and affection to ease his wife’s fears. After that he can take her clothes off while showering her with tender kisses and saying nice things about her body. He can take everything off but her underwear. While they are standing kissing he can gently take her to the bed. He should remove her brassiere while sitting next to her and play with her chest with his hands while his mouth is still in hers. He should wait for her to react. When she reacts he can then take her last piece of clothing off and kiss her breasts. He then can suck on them while the bride is on her back He can feel free then to touch her body with his hands with care and tenderness. When his left hand reaches her (you know what) he can rub it and concentrate on the ( you know what). Now he can stop sucking on her breasts and kissing her on the lips when he feels their warmth. Then he can start kissing the lower ….
you get the idea.

Girls, if you have the proper reactions then it is guaranteed you won’t have to worry about your man running off.

Via Jameed

posted by Leilouta @ 6:46 PM  

101 Comments:

  • At 8:05 PM, Anonymous Lynn said…

    You wear a bikini!!!??? OY! It's too late for you! Damned those American men!

     

  • At 9:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    OMG--those comments under the "Why Did God Create Hair on Women," the ones about the "white legged women" and "showing off your wrists and neck," they were serious?!!! I thought the writers were making a joke! No effing way!!! LMAO!!!
    Do these people realize how ridiculous they sound?
    "Leilouta, you poor thing, your American husband can never bring another wife into the home. How incredibly lonely you must be with out this female companionship!" "Leilouta, if your American husband doesn't force you to cover your hair, you probably must have to spend time and money washing and styling it--how dare he subject you to such misery and make you a slave to your hair?! Any decent man would save you that pain and anguish and buy you a burka!" "Leilouta, what kind of evil American monster are you married to? No additional wives, no burka--how can you stay married to a man who is so obviously failing to provide for you?!!!"
    But now that I think about it, some readers (Mimoun comes to mind) might think I'm serious! For those who do, it's a joke!!!
    From Z.

     

  • At 9:50 PM, Blogger jkirlin said…

    They look like they are preparing to discuss tax codes.

    Arab Accountants Gone Wild!

    I'm glad it was in Arabic. I'd have felt dirty otherwise.

     

  • At 10:27 PM, Anonymous Lynn said…

    Z,
    Of course I was joking. I thought it was obvious with the whole 'he might bring 3 other wives in'. I was making fun of Mimoun's comment. But now that you bring it up, he probably would think it was serious. LOL

     

  • At 12:55 AM, Blogger Craig said…

    I wish Christians could have 4 wives! I'd have all different colored legs :D

     

  • At 3:01 AM, Blogger N. said…

    Naw, my wedding night will involve a family-style bucket of chicken from KFC and doing it twice.

     

  • At 8:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "I should have married a Muslim man"??!!
    what do you mean by that ? you mean Arabian man ?!

    Muslim = religion
    American = nationality

    explain him :P

    pinky world .

     

  • At 8:55 AM, Blogger The Moody Minstrel said…

    What? Advice on what to do on your wedding night, and they don't say anything about yogurt??!?

     

  • At 11:35 AM, Blogger Jewaira said…

    Interesting clip.

    According to the beginning of the clip, the book discussed is about Orfi marriage and the title is "Orfi Marriage Halal, Halal, Halal!"

    I didn't think that Orfi marriage is like a normal marriage with wedding party as stated in the clip.

    In any case, the excerpt was just about being tender and considerate on the wedding night which isn't a bad idea...is it? (Even though the 3 men looked very smug!)

     

  • At 4:16 PM, Blogger Bobealia... said…

    Did he draw a map? Provide a diagram?

     

  • At 12:06 AM, Blogger xoussef said…

    an Alazhar authorized book eh!? and in the same time they tax novels and poetry of pornography to prevent them to be published! a good thing they specified which lip to suck though, it might have been confusing otherwise :D.

    "At first I was confused, because I have white legs, at least in the winter." llah ye3tik se7a !! mdr!!

     

  • At 5:25 AM, Anonymous Romer!can said…

    What's the official stance on vibrators? Does it make a difference if it's a simple traditional vibrator versus a 3-pronged spinning dildo? I know a friend who may need forgiveness.

     

  • At 10:25 AM, Anonymous 03 said…

    Ca se voit que tu es du 08 toi .
    Vous êtes des cas spéciaux . Myat yhoudi ou la jendoubi . C'est pas pour rien que les anciens ont sorti cela .

     

  • At 10:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    03 ca se voit illi inti go3r

     

  • At 3:46 AM, Anonymous 03 said…

    Ma famech ratssa go3r kifkom al 08 tby3ou fi rwahkom ou teklbou al fissta .Tous les 08 que je connais, y sont comme toi, des cas spéciaux . C'est à vous d'essayer de vous améliorer pour que les gens ne fassent plus ce genre de remarques . Je ne l'ai pas inventé, c'est les anciens qui le disent et je ne fais que le vérifier chaque fois que je rencontre du 08 . T'es pas la seule sur la blogosphère, mais votre point commun, à tous les retourneurs de veste, c'est le 08 .
    Za3ma mnech ?

     

  • At 9:58 AM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    As if there are not white Muslims? Nothing but ignorance! I am white and it is sad to know that they discounted more than a few Bosnian Muslims as well.

     

  • At 11:10 AM, Blogger Nouri said…

    I dig Bosnian chicks. And Albanian ones. East European Muslims tend to be hawt. In my experience.

    Nouri

     

  • At 2:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Crap! I think I entered the house left foot first.

     

  • At 9:48 PM, Blogger D.B. Shobrawy said…

    What the....Is this spiritual advice or a Penthouse letter!? I felt dirty reading it, ok not that dirty.

     

  • At 12:31 AM, Blogger The Moody Minstrel said…

    I was worried that this comment thread was going to get dirty to the point of being tasteless, but now it's just starting to get confusing.

    Should I click my mouse with my left hand?

     

  • At 11:36 AM, Blogger Um Naief said…

    you know... i'm somewhat shocked that these muslim men get on TV and talk about this stuff. and here the want to say negative things about americans. i don't know of any man who would get on national TV, unless it was a joke, and give instructions such as these to any man or to any woman. and i'm serious.

    do you think that arab women are afraid of their husbands running off w/ white legged women?

    i swear.. if it's not one thing, then it's another.

     

  • At 2:19 PM, Anonymous Ahlame said…

    This is so funny. Wallah we are becoming a joke:)

     

  • At 8:13 PM, Blogger Jennifer said…

    No, no, no! I just can't believe this is real!

     

  • At 10:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "...tax codes", and "Arab Accountant Gone Wild". OMG! My sides ache, and I'm still tearing up. Is the guy allowed to bring cheat-sheets with him, in case he forgets?
    White legs..... OMG.

    You know Leia, anytime you want to put up bikini photos, I doubt any of us would complain!

    Vic Carpenter
    South San Francisco

     

  • At 3:08 AM, Blogger The Moody Minstrel said…

    You know Leia, anytime you want to put up bikini photos, I doubt any of us would complain!

    Be careful when you say "any of us", Vic. Most of us wouldn't complain, but have you read any of the rabid verbal attacks she has already gotten from a few (but not all...let's be clear on that) Muslims here? If she were to post bikini pics of herself someone may very well declare a fatwa against her.

     

  • At 6:44 PM, Blogger HalalHippie said…

    "Now he can stop sucking on her breasts and kissing her on the lips when he feels their warmth. Then he can start kissing the lower …."

    the lower.... what ?

    are you gonna post the rest ?

     

  • At 1:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Thanks Moody Minstrel. I was only trying to be funny! Honestly I had not seem the vile. This seems really odd to me. Sort of like screaming at one's TV or radio.... "Just change the channel." If they don't like this blog, go elsewhere.
    I have learned so very much about the Middle East, and the culture, from this blog. I guess true idiots are rampant. Anyway, thank you for your comments, and I promise to be more careful!

    Sincerely,
    Vic
    South San Francisco

     

  • At 9:39 AM, Blogger The Moody Minstrel said…

    No problem, Vic. I wasn't being entirely serious, either, but it is true that Leilouta has taken some serious flamings from fundamentalists in the past. They used to pop up here regularly, but they haven't shown up for a while, so either they've given up, found a new target, or their comments are being deleted by the lady herself.

    Cheers!

     

  • At 10:09 AM, Blogger Ayyam said…

    I think the book is very "informative", well written and accurate. Good work
    Thank you for posting the ads.

     

  • At 11:38 AM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    No one cares enough to make a "fatwa" about her or this issue. A fatwa is a religious ruling made by a scholar. Somehow I doubt many scholars spend any time on this site.

    Some nut cases on both sides for sure, but no Islamic scholars.

    She doesnt need to post pictures like that to piss some people off. She has already done that by admitting she is a Muslim lady married to a non Muslim man. No further attempt to piss them off is needed.

    I am a Muslim guy, and I dont agree with what she does, but that is okay. It is her life, her choices. She is free to do what she wants, as we all should be.

    I read this blog because she has some interesting and funny takes on things, it doesnt mean I agree with her on a lot of issues, but that is okay as well. I am sure she wouldnt agree with a lot of what I think or do. But that is the beauty of freedom of speech.

    The real enemies are those on both sides who would force others to tow their line or be verbally or physically shut down.

     

  • At 11:39 AM, Blogger shlemazl said…

    The attraction isn't in the colour of female legs. It's not even in the legs themselves. It's in-between.

     

  • At 3:21 PM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    أبو سنان,

    Some nut cases on both sides for sure, but no Islamic scholars.

    An "Islamic scholar" is a nutcase who happens to own a stupid looking hat, right?

    The attraction isn't in the colour of female legs. It's not even in the legs themselves. It's in-between.

    Nice try, Shlemazl, but there's more to it than that :P

     

  • At 7:17 AM, Blogger The Moody Minstrel said…

    An "Islamic scholar" is a nutcase who happens to own a stupid looking hat, right?

    (shakes head and sighs)

    The real enemies are those on both sides who would force others to tow their line or be verbally or physically shut down.

    Yes, أبو سنان , well said. And that is very much one of the recurring themes of this blog. Sometimes you learn more by agreeing to disagree but still respecting the other's position.

     

  • At 9:58 AM, Blogger Seneferu said…

    LOL. stop disappearing on us, Leilouta. The emphasis of the three halal's on this subject may be the funniest part.

     

  • At 4:05 PM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    This comment has been removed by the author.

     

  • At 4:10 PM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    Deleted my comment because somebody told me it was stupid and silly. Sorry for the inconvenience :)

     

  • At 11:33 PM, Blogger shlemazl said…

    أبو سنان

    I am a Muslim guy, and I dont agree with what she does. It is her life, her choices. She is free to do what she wants, as we all should be.

    You are so kind! Glad you found time to concern yourself with who Leilouta should marry. Particularly now when Muslims in general and Islamic scholars in particular have so many other important issues like Rusdhie's knighthood and Danish cartoons.

     

  • At 1:20 PM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    Programmer Craig is a nut case, with or without a hat.

    Shlemazl,

    I guess you didnt read my post or comprehend it, that is fine. My point is and was that we do not all have to agree with other's beliefs or actions, but they must agree to their right to them.

    I dont care who she married. It isnt me, it isnt my family. That is the point. Freedom of expression and action without fear of physical or verbal assault from any corner.

     

  • At 1:58 PM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    أبو سنان,

    I guess I must be a nutcase, since you have declared yourself the moral authority and I completely disagree with you, eh?

    My point is and was that we do not all have to agree with other's beliefs or actions, but they must agree to their right to them.

    This is rank stupidity. People are free to have whatever beliefs they choose for themselves, but they are certainly NOT free to perform any actions they wish to. If I decide that God wants me to rape your sister, do I have the right to go ahead and do that without interference?

    You seem to be making the same arguments that Islamists make. "God wants me to murder people, and nobody better get in the way and interfere with my mission, because it is what God wills" right?

    Bullshit. Total bullshit.

    You keep claiming people don't comprehend your opinions, but I think people can see what you're opinions are very well. You aren't exactly subtle, you know?

     

  • At 2:52 PM, Blogger Nouri said…

    Craig, you're misinterpreting what Abu Sinan is saying. He is saying that Leila has the right to do what she wants with her life. She can marry whomever she likes, and behave how she pleases, and that she has the right to do so. Her personal status is her own. He's not saying that anybody can do anything just because they want to. It is a standard and obvious argument for religious and personal freedom. Because he is Muslim and does not agree with intermarriage (I'll be honest, I disagree with religious intermarriage personally) does not make him some kind of Islamist and it does not make him similar to them. He has not made an Islamist argument or anything remotely like it. The one you paraphrased is more that of a Dutchman than a suicide bomber. The Islamist is not a cultural or behavioral relativist, he is an absolutist. If Abu Sinan were making such a case he'd be the one saying that Leila ought not to be married to her husband, regardless of his character, because he is not a Muslim and should be punished. He'd be trying to tell her what to do. He is simply stating that her personal choices are not his and that he has no problem with her making them.

     

  • At 3:07 PM, Blogger shlemazl said…

    This comment has been removed by the author.

     

  • At 5:05 PM, Blogger shlemazl said…

    Abu,

    I have read what you said. It is indeed highly commendable that you are not going to demonstrate calling for another Holocaust, kill nuns or scream blue murder. It's a good start.

    It is not commendable that you "do not agree". It is no concern of yours one way or another who Leilouta decides to marry.

     

  • At 5:16 PM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    Hey Nouri,

    Craig, you're misinterpreting what Abu Sinan is saying. He is saying that Leila has the right to do what she wants with her life.

    I didn't know that was Abu Sinan. Thanks for cluing me in, now that you have done so I think I understand his opinions as stated here much better than before, because I've seen him state his opinions many times, many places over the last couple of years.

    She can marry whomever she likes, and behave how she pleases, and that she has the right to do so.

    That isn't what he said, though. And, I don't think it's what he believes.

    His statement was much more generic than that.

    He said: My point is and was that we do not all have to agree with other's beliefs or actions, but they must agree to their right to them.

    People do have the right to think and to believe whatever they wish to. People do NOT have a right to behave in any way that they want to, when they put their beliefs in practice. That seems to be a common misconception amongst Muslims, or at least a certain type of Muslim, like Abu Sinan. For instance, in countries where it is illegal for Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men - that is a human rights violation. A violation of the basic human rights of the couple that wish to marry.

    I have also seen Abu Sinan condemn laws which prohibit wearing hijab, while at the same time he wholeheartedly supports the right of countries like Saudi Arabia to FORCE women to cover themselves from head to toe, and claims it is nobody else's business.

    These are both examples of areas where Abu Sinan thinks it is OK to translate his personal beliefs into actions which adversely effect others.

    Nobody has the right to try to impose their beliefs on other people. NOBODY.

    He didn't need to plug that thing about behavior into the discussion. There is a reason that he did so.

    Her personal status is her own.

    Only because she lives in a country that respects human rights. She wouldn't have been allowed to marry the man she loves if she lived in one of the countries Abu Sinan favors. Which makes the "permission" he gave her, meaningless. He would void her marriage if he could, and he would justify that ACTION on his part with his personal belief system.

    He's not saying that anybody can do anything just because they want to. It is a standard and obvious argument for religious and personal freedom.

    Nope, I disagree. There is no concept of "freedom of action". There isn't any society on the planet where people are allowed to behave in whatever way they wish to. Their are constraints.

    Because he is Muslim and does not agree with intermarriage (I'll be honest, I disagree with religious intermarriage personally) does not make him some kind of Islamist and it does not make him similar to them.

    No, it doesn't. It's his opinion that he is entitled to impose his version of Islam on others (even if it's only with words) that makes him an Islamist.


    He has not made an Islamist argument or anything remotely like it. The one you paraphrased is more that of a Dutchman than a suicide bomber. The Islamist is not a cultural or behavioral relativist, he is an absolutist. If Abu Sinan were making such a case he'd be the one saying that Leila ought not to be married to her husband, regardless of his character, because he is not a Muslim and should be punished. He'd be trying to tell her what to do. He is simply stating that her personal choices are not his and that he has no problem with her making them.

    Then why did he say anything, at all? Why give somebody "permission" to do something they have every right to do, and then condemn them verbally for it?

    Sorry, Nouri. Your argument doesn't hold up. Especially now that I know this dude is Abu Sinan. I could go through archives and find a dozen places where he has deceptively tried to promote an Islamist agenda. he's very clever at hiding his motives with sweet talk and flattery but his intent is pretty clear. And he's been about the business of defending Islamists for at least 2 years now. He's the most intolerant Muslim I've ever run into on a blog.

     

  • At 5:42 PM, Blogger Nouri said…

    Hey Craig,

    Your welcome for the translation ;)

    "People do have the right to think and to believe whatever they wish to. People do NOT have a right to behave in any way that they want to, when they put their beliefs in practice. That seems to be a common misconception amongst Muslims, or at least a certain type of Muslim, like Abu Sinan. For instance, in countries where it is illegal for Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men - that is a human rights violation. A violation of the basic human rights of the couple that wish to marry."

    First, I do not inted to speak for Abu Sinan and I do not want to put words in his mouth, and I do not know him personally. I didn't read that people could do whatever they want when they put their beliefs into action; he made a generic statement that I think you're taking a bit to generically. I got the feeling he was talking about personal relations. It is not a human rights violation to not condone certain things personally while allowing others to have their way. For example, most people in the US would not have their children marry Muslims. But you don't see them going out and trying to go out and prohibit such marriages. If you look at the poll of American Muslims, a good number of them oppose inter-religious marriages. You very rarely if ever see them actually stopping such marriages though. that's what I thought of when I read Abu Sinan's comment.

    "I have also seen Abu Sinan condemn laws which prohibit wearing hijab, while at the same time he wholeheartedly supports the right of countries like Saudi Arabia to FORCE women to cover themselves from head to toe, and claims it is nobody else's business."

    Ah, now I see. I don't tend to read the comments on most blogs, so I'm not familiar with this fellow. From your description, though, he sounds "special".

    "Then why did he say anything, at all? Why give somebody "permission" to do something they have every right to do, and then condemn them verbally for it?"

    I didn't see him give her permission or condemnation, but I see your point. It probably says somethign about his personality or the way he thinks and writes.

    As for Islamist agendas, depending on what part of it he's been promoting, go ahead and tear him up as you will. Just don't forget, Islamic agendas have cleaned up quite a few ghettos in the US. ;)

     

  • At 5:47 PM, Blogger Nouri said…

    Arabic speakers/readers may find this interesting (and hilarious as most things by Jihad al-Khazen are):
    http://www.daralhayat.com/opinion/editorials/01-2006/Item-20060104-96ceaf15-c0a8-10ed-0025-b64d4bbd291e/story.html

    and this
    http://sabbah.biz/mt/?p=1167

     

  • At 12:23 AM, Blogger The Moody Minstrel said…

    Craig,

    Nobody has the right to try to impose their beliefs on other people. NOBODY.

    I agree with you there. However, it seems ironic that you say this in the same comment in which you berate Muslims for discouraging if not prohibiting marriage to non-Muslims. As I understand, that is in line with their beliefs as Muslims. Would you impose your beliefs on them by insisting they ignore their own?

    Yes, I do understand that Islam is an absolute dogma and does not allow a way out. Once you become a Muslim you're not allowed to quit, lest you be branded an apostate and arrested (or even executed...my one and only real gripe against Islam). Depending on how strict a Muslim is, that can even apply to how a person lives in accordance with Islamic law. In other words, by marrying a non-Muslim, a Muslim could be accused of apostasy. That would be in line with Islamic belief.

    Craig, neither you nor I would ever want to see Leilouta harassed, let alone punished, for her choices in life. However, that still comes down to our beliefs versus those of Muslims. We want to see our own beliefs imposed because they seem right to us through the lens of our own culture. However, if you truly believe that NOBODY has the right to impose his beliefs on others, then you have to step aside and let the Muslims observe their own.

    You wouldn't do that, would you? I doubt I would, either. Bottom line: when cultures clash, some imposition of belief may be inevitable.

     

  • At 12:42 AM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    Moody,

    I agree with you there. However, it seems ironic that you say this in the same comment in which you berate Muslims for discouraging if not prohibiting marriage to non-Muslims. As I understand, that is in line with their beliefs as Muslims. Would you impose your beliefs on them by insisting they ignore their own?

    No, they can "discourage" as much as they want. The problem is when they make interfaith marriages ILLEGAL, which they do in most Muslim countries, but only for Muslim women.

    That's a human rights violation for two reasons.

    1) It (extreme) discrimination in the LAW based on religion. A violation of Freedom of Religion.

    2) If a woman leaves Islam so that she can legally marry a non-Muslim man, she is an apostate. That is a death penalty offense in most Muslim countries. A violation of Freedom of Religion.

    We want to see our own beliefs imposed because they seem right to us through the lens of our own culture.

    No, I actually don't want my beliefs imposed on anyone. And I don't personally approve of interfaith marriages, whether they are Christian/Jewish or Christian/Muslim. Or even Religious/Atheist. I just think marriage is difficult enough without complicating it even more. But love is blind, and nobody has a right to say (under the law) who should marry and who should not.

    However, if you truly believe that NOBODY has the right to impose his beliefs on others, then you have to step aside and let the Muslims observe their own.

    I have no problem with what people believe. I only have a problem with how people behave, Moody. Beliefs should be personal, or shared with others of like mind. Spiritual beliefs are intended for helping the individual who holds them, not for beating other people over the head trying to force them to comply.

    You wouldn't do that, would you? I doubt I would, either. Bottom line: when cultures clash, some imposition of belief may be inevitable.

    Imposition of belief is not even possible, without severe indoctrination programs. I think you are confusing overt behaviors with personally held beliefs. Behavior can be modified, and when it's objectionable, they must be. But thoughts and beliefs are something else entirely.

    I'll give an example. I used to work with a guy who was a born again Christian. He used to wear "Hooked on Jesus" tee-shirts (software development company!) and stuff like that, which I found kind of weird but nothing I objected too. But he started talking to me about his Church a lot and started talking about his (kinda wacky) version of Chrsitianity. And then he started inviting me to Bible studies and stuff, even though I'd been politely ignoring him, all along. I finally came out and told him if he didn't leave it alone I was going to complain to the big cheese, and I was a more important guy at the company than he was, so he did back off. But in my opinion, he was grossly out of line. Not in his beliefs - in his behavior.

     

  • At 12:46 AM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    Nouri, thanks for the reply.

    I didn't read that people could do whatever they want when they put their beliefs into action...

    I guess my position is that people's beliefs should never be put into action, if those beliefs effect other people adversely. And that's a line that many people don't know when they've crossed, so I think people should err on the side of caution. Just because I think I'm helping somebody out doesn't mean they see it the same way, you know?

     

  • At 2:12 AM, Blogger The Moody Minstrel said…

    Point taken, Craig, and well said.

     

  • At 2:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I think Schlemazl is the real nutcase...Although it isn't any of our concern who Leila marries, I still don't agree with her choice...its an opinion....I can state it.

    I still love Leila tho...and this opinion of mine doesn't draw me ( or any muslim for that matter) closer to any taliban Shlemazl would love me to be a part of.

     

  • At 10:48 AM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    Craig is nothing more than a liar. I have NEVER, EVER supported the right of anyone to force anyone to do something they do not want to do.

    I am as against Saudis forcing people TO wear hijab as I am against countries forcing people NOT to wear hijab.

    I believe in the right of the people to make up their own minds and not to be forced by anyone, whether it is a government or a movement, to force them to do something they do not want to do.

    Craig is a liar and cannot provide anything that proves what he has said here. I guess I could call Craig the Elephant Man, but it doesnt make it so does it?

    Craig, you said you could go through archives and prove I was deceptively trying to promote an Islamist agenda, so please do. If you dont admit you are a liar.

    You say I have been doing this for two years, so I am sure within a few minutes of this post you will be able to find numerous examples.

    Of course, being that I am "so clever" I am sure you will read all sorts of things into statements that are absurd.

    You are the only one who could come up with me supporting the rights of women to choose or not to choose hijab as some sort of Islamist conspiracy.

    I will state it again, and VERY slowly for you Craig. Leilouta has the right to marry whomever she wishes. That doesnt mean from a religious standpoint that I agree with her, but it is her right and no one should be able to keep her from doing so nor should she face verbal or physical assault over it.

    That no more makes me an Islamist than it makes an observant Jew a radical for stating that one must have a Jewish mother to be considered Jewish. That is conservative/Orthodox Jewish belief as well as Israeli law.

    People, you need to understand that Craig spends his entire days going to Muslim/Arab and every other non right wing blog and insulting, attacking and lying about people.

    Dont believe a word he says. Trust your own minds, you dont need him to "translate" for you. You have a mind, you can understand things just fine for yourself.

    Craig has been kicked off of numerous web sites and is currently engaged in flaming wars on at least four blogs that I know of.

    It is a pattern of very rude and obnoxious behavior. His particular "interest" in me came when he felt bad because he thought I was a Saudi man. When he found out I was nothing more than an American man who speaks Arabic, is married to an Arab lady and knows the politics he was outraged.

    He raged for days that I had "decieved him" how I was an unpatriotic American, I should be kicked out of America, put in Gitmo, he attacked my wife, insulted her and my children, you name it.

    This all happened on Farooha's site that is no longer around. I wish it were I'd love to report his attacks on my children, his immature rants and outrage when he found out I was American.

    I never understood the anger about it all. I never said I was Saudi, not in English or in Arabic. It was openly known that I was married to an Arab lady. The blog I ran at the time made it clear.

    The only thing that "fooled" him was his own ignorance.

    Sorry Craig that you dont speak Arabic and I do. Sorry you dont have a clue as to Arab/Islamic or Middle Eastern history or politics. Sorry you feel the need to wonder the web attacking people, insulting women, attacking and calling people's children's names.

    You Craig, are clearly sick. I hope you seek help.

    As to those interested in the truth, I suggest you Google "Abu Sinan" and look at the cached version of my old blog.

    When you do it will be clear that Criag is so full of it his eyes are brown.

     

  • At 11:44 AM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    Here are some comments and blog addresses where Craig is currently involved in flame wars with the owners of the blogs and the people who visit. Keep in mind it is a small list of the blogs that he goes to and trolls. He seems unable to have a decent conversation with people. He loves to curse, insult people. There are literally hundreds of these types out there:

    "Are you on crack again, QuiQui? I've lived most of my life in areas that are popular with Arab immigrants and I've never (not once)"
    http://kabobfest.blogspot.com/2007/07/modern-chronology-of-keffiyah-kraze.html

    "You mean like yours, whiteboy? :P"
    http://kabobfest.blogspot.com/2007/07/lebanon-one-year-since-israels-attack.html

    "I knew it. You fuckers pulled the same shit on the Iraqi blogs. But only as commenters, there, not as "contributers".
    http://kabobfest.blogspot.com/2007/07/terrorist-what-big-army-calls-little.html

    Sapho, you wanna talk to the blogger without talker to the other readers, send him a fucking e-mail, asshole"
    http://iraqirebel.blogspot.com/2005/12/i-fucking-hate-iraq.html

    " do you have a reading comprehension problem in that fucked up language you guys speak in your fucked up country too? Or does the problem only surface when you're struggling with English?"
    http://ejectiraqikkk.blogspot.com/2007/06/we-start-off-our-iraqi-documentaries.html

    Your little comment told us a lot about BuJ. BuJ isn't a nice guy. BuJ is an asshole
    http://neurotic-iraqi-wife.blogspot.com/2007/06/my-true-sanity.html

    "....South Africa wouldn't be a violent shithole."
    http://inlovewithiraq.blogspot.com/2006/10/in-denial.html

    "Take a hike, dirtbag."
    http://youngmammy.blogspot.com/2006/06/human-with-no-rights_19.html

    "you get punched in the face a lot, Fred?"
    http://baghdadtreasure.blogspot.com/2005/09/new-five-star-hotel-in-baghdad.html

    "Syria. Replaced by some crazy fuckers. And then 20 years of civil war, sponsored by Syria's neighbors. "
    http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark/2007/06/wholl-be-the-fi.html#comments

     

  • At 11:52 AM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    Abu Sinan,

    I am as against Saudis forcing people TO wear hijab as I am against countries forcing people NOT to wear hijab.

    Yeah. Right. Good thing Farooha deleted her blog, isn't it? :O

    As to those interested in the truth, I suggest you Google "Abu Sinan" and look at the cached version of my old blog.

    I acutally suggest people don't. I suggest they look at the things you have said as "Abu Sinan" on other blogs, not your own. But Farooha's blog was your regular hangout, wasn't it? And that's gone now :O

    So, nobody can know the things I know about you, unless they were readers of her blog back then. Good thing for you, isn't it?

    Don't worry, you are perfectly capable of destroying your rep under your new arabic ID, white boy. You can't keep your bigotry under wraps forever. There's too much hate and malice in you, it has to come out.

    By the way, why didn't you comment on the possibility of you leaving your Saudi wife for a white legged woman? You are an American too, that comment about Leilouta's husband could have been said about you just as easily. Yet, you didn't defend her from that attack, did you? :O

     

  • At 11:58 AM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    Why would you provide all those "examples", dumbass? I've never made a secret of the fact that I attack dirtbags. I'm attacking you right here in this thread, am I not? And, I've done it before, right here, have I not?

    Why didn't you provide any examples of me attacking you? Why didn't you provide any examples of me attacking Twosret, on this blog?

    I encourage people to check all those links and see who it was I was going after, and see the kind of people they are. I am not ashamed of it. See the kind of people I "victimize" and realzie that Abu SInan was one of the first people on the blogs that I ever went after, on a personal level.

     

  • At 12:01 PM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    By the way, Abu, I'm flatterred that you care about me so much you did a google search trying to find places where I was engaged in arguments. But half of those links are from 2005 and 2006. Do you need some suggestions on where you can find me in furballs more recently?

    Try Shlemazl's or Highlaner's.

     

  • At 12:16 PM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    Things you said to me on KABOBfest in recent months, Abu...

    http://kabobfest.blogspot.com/2007/06/how-do-you-bribe-billionaire.html#comment-4636061715109200996

    أبو سنان said...

    "Programmer Craig" is a pathetic idiot who claims to have been a US Marine in Lebanon. He also claims to be married to an Asian lady, and that this means he cannot be racist even though he issues the most racist diatribes you can imagine.

    His MO is to spam Arab/Middle Eastern/Muslim web sites with the most insane nonsense he can think of.

    There are a few words in Arabic for a guy like this......Homar, kalb, zib, khara, I can think of more, but you get the point. The guy is a troll and should be treated as such.

    You have got to wonder about the sanity of someone who frequents places where people dont want him.

    http://kabobfest.blogspot.com/2007/07/finger-pointing-in-aftermath-of-alan.html#comment-1510975081992766827

    أبو سنان said...

    Craig is a racist Islamophobe who dreams of his days being hot and sweaty with his fellow Marines.

    Craig, do us all a favour and take out your sexual frustration elsewhere.

    There is more. And you know what? I never replied to any of your comments there, and I never addressed anything to you. So, who is the troll, Abu Sinan?

    You are right, though. That blog (KABOBfest) is a collection of idiots like you, and I insult all of the contributers there, every day. I use that blog for comic relief, because the bloggers are like stereotypical cartoon characters.

    It's too bad you couldn't come up with any examples of things I said to you over there, though, isn't it? I didn't consider your comments worthy of reply, but now that I know who you are, that's changed :P

     

  • At 1:09 PM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    Craig,

    I more than accept what I said to you there. You think that you can attack my wife and call my children names and think I will have respect for you?

    Can you point to any other people on-line with whom I have cursed at like you have done? I provided a half a dozen or more instances of you on multiple blogs cursing and insulting multiple people.

    The reason you never responded to me Craig, as is clearly shown on this blog, is that you are so thick were were not aware of who was posting the comments about you. You dont read Arabic so you didnt know it was me! LOL!

    Look Craig, it is clear that you troll on dozens of blogs, insulting and attacking random people at will.

    The people here do not need to listen to you or I. I suggest they just spend 5 minutes on Google looking at our respective posts.

    It is clear you have a foul mouth, and it doesnt matter who it is directed to. If I was the only one, I would feel special, but you have lashed out and insulted numerous people, on numerous blogs, for all sorts of reasons.

    But hey, I will be the first to say you will NEVER, EVER get a kind word from me after you insulted my wife and my children. You claim to be a former marine, but I have worked with many marines over the years and not a one of them would be so cowardly as to insult a woman and little children.

    You Craig, are a coward.

     

  • At 1:10 PM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    Yes, you have attacked me, and my one and two year old sons as well.

    Does that make you feel manly?

     

  • At 3:48 PM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    I more than accept what I said to you there. You think that you can attack my wife and call my children names and think I will have respect for you?

    What the hell are you talking about? Your wife? Your children? I don't even know who they are, Dude. I attacked *you* a very long time ago. You were the FIRST person I ever made personal attacks on, on a blog. And that was after I spent a week trying to be polite to you, while you were making derogatory comments about me. You were disrespectful towards me from the start, when you had no reason to be. You are the person who convinced me it was pointless to try and engage idiots on the internet with anything but ridicule.

    What's your excuse for the way you've treated Shlemazl here, Abu Sinan?

    Can you point to any other people on-line with whom I have cursed at like you have done?

    Cursing? What does cursing have to do with it? You give yourself a pass when you insult people without using profanity?

    I provided a half a dozen or more instances of you on multiple blogs cursing and insulting multiple people.

    So? You started a blog war between Farooha and the Religious Policeman, did you not? And you viciously attacked all of his readers, to the point where they were making death threats against you and your family, and you accuse ME of being the one who attacks people for no reason?

    I assure you, every person I have ever attacked, attacked me first. Including you. Don't take my word for it, whip out that Google search engine.

    The reason you never responded to me Craig, as is clearly shown on this blog, is that you are so thick were were not aware of who was posting the comments about you. You dont read Arabic so you didnt know it was me! LOL!

    Wow... I don't speak Arabic! What a shocker!

    Tell us, Abu Sinan, why did you start signing in with your handle in Arabic, on English language blogs?

    Look Craig, it is clear that you troll on dozens of blogs, insulting and attacking random people at will.

    My targets are not "random" and they are always people who have made personal attacks on me, first. Like you. Just like you.

    The people here do not need to listen to you or I. I suggest they just spend 5 minutes on Google looking at our respective posts.

    The people here know me very well, Abu Sinan. I've been commenting on Leilouta's blog from the beginning.

    Where have YOU been?

    It is clear you have a foul mouth, and it doesnt matter who it is directed to.

    And yet, here it has never been directed at anybody but you and Twosret, has it?

    If I was the only one, I would feel special, but you have lashed out and insulted numerous people, on numerous blogs, for all sorts of reasons.

    No. For only one reason. And that reason is that they have been abusive towards me. Like you.

    But hey, I will be the first to say you will NEVER, EVER get a kind word from me after you insulted my wife and my children.

    What is with you, always hiding behind your wife and children? Speak for yourself. Be a man.

    You claim to be a former marine, but I have worked with many marines over the years and not a one of them would be so cowardly as to insult a woman and little children.

    You mean when I said your children would grow up to be terrorists, with a Dad like you? You aren't too bright, are you? That was an insult directed at you, as a Father, not at them. And you are such a coward you hid behind them, didn't you? Is that what Father does? Invokes sympathy for his wife and children, when it is him that is under attack?

    "Oh, please have mercy on me, think of my poor wife and children, I beg of you!!"

    Such a man.

    Your conduct on Kabobfest even when I did nothing to provoke you speaks for itself. I haven't even seen you on a blog in a year or more, and I certainly didn't ask you to start following me around making personal attacks on me. Oh, and on my "alleged" ex-wife, too. And on the entire US Marine Corps, who you claim are all sexual deviants, even though you know so many honorable Marines that are close friends of yours. Or something.

    In closing, I treat you the way I do because you deserve it.

     

  • At 3:58 PM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    Craig,

    You made personal attacks against my wife and children. You called them names, you called me names.

    You can try to place blame on everyone else, but the only person responsible for your actions is yourself. That is one of the first things adults are supposed to know.

    As to Farah and the religious policeman, the whole ball game was started when the imposter called Farah a man and then attacked her because she found a lot of faults with his knowledge of Saudi history.

    As any Arab reading this blog will tell you, no Arab would mistake the name "Farah" for a man, plain and simple. The common usage of "Farah" as a first name is certainly male, ESPECIALLY in the Middle East.

    It is very clear that Farah was a Saudi female, my wife's family knows her's, whereas it was not so clear that someone who would make such a mistake is a Saudi, let alone an Arab.

    Your words and your actions speak for themselves. I am not going to go point by point and talk about what you said.

    I will leave it to the people out there to do a quick Google search of "Programmer Craig" and see what they come up with.

    Unlike you, I think people here are smart enough to make up their mind's for themselves. They dont need help from you or I.

    I believe, as shown by your posts here and on other forums, that you have some pretty large mental issues.

    I wish you the best and hope you get the help in need, in all honesty.

    Good luck.

     

  • At 4:23 PM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    blah blah blah.

    About ytour commenst on KabobFest:

    There are a few words in Arabic for a guy like this......Homar, kalb, zib, khara, I can think of more, but you get the point.

    Is there any profanity in that? I don't speak Arabic, so I don't know!

    His MO is to spam Arab/Middle Eastern/Muslim web sites with the most insane nonsense he can think of.

    And yet, you are the only Muslim I have ever gotten into a feud with, Abu Sinan. And you a whiteboy American convert to Islam.

    Who do I fight with? Lets see... hmmm....

    Bruno - A white south african

    "An Italian" - some sort of Euro dirtbag

    Twosret - an Egyptian Copt who calls herself Chrsitian

    Nomad - a nasty French woman

    "Libyan Warrior" and all of his alter egos, a Berber born and raised in the USA.

    "Frenchman" - a guy who grew up in Indonesia and claims to be French, who likes to lie about his background

    And then there is you, my first feud partner

    Most the other people I take shots at are anonymous blog trolls.

    Oh, and the whole staff of KABOBfest, but since most of them are western anarchist and at least half of them aren't even Arab, I'm not sure what I should count them as.

    Nice job repeating what my other sparring partners have said about me. You really are incapable of sticking up for yourself, aren't you? You even hid behind Farooha after you started all that shit.

    Pussy.

     

  • At 4:51 PM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    profanity n. , pl. -ties . The condition or quality of being profane. Abusive, vulgar, or irreverent language.

    Homar = donkey
    kalb = dog
    zib = penis
    khara = shit (feces)

    So, you even lie about your use of profanity, don't you? You used profanity against me on Farrah's blog the very first time I encountered you. Back when I was trying to be nice to you.

    No more, asshole. You get what you give.

     

  • At 10:03 PM, Blogger Nouri said…

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  • At 10:07 PM, Blogger Nouri said…

    I wouldn't translate homar as "donkey" in this context...lol my gramps used to call the customers at his liquor store by some of those names...

    I apologize to the other readers for outing Abu Sinan and starting the war.

    So I'll say to both sides without malace zemm fummek!! Khalas.

     

  • At 2:40 AM, Blogger The Moody Minstrel said…

    Anyway, I believe we were talking about an Arabic wedding-night guide video, the danger of Leilouta's husband leaving her for a white-legged woman, belief vs. behavior, entering the bedroom right foot first...

    (Maybe there needs to be a rule in Blogger, or at least a tacit agreement among its participants, that people engaging in a comment thread flame war irrelevant to the topic of the post should immediately relocate to a specially-designated "arena thread" for a little bit of text-message gladiatorial combat without eating up so much of the comment thread!)

     

  • At 8:00 AM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    Your own words Craig and the way you handle yourself is the best indicitment of yourself.

    You prove my case for me.

    Game, Set, Match.

    You are dismissed.

     

  • At 11:46 AM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    I'm always amazed how people declare victory and celebrate their own superiority, even on the internet :O

    Moody raises a good point. What's your feeling about the odds of Leilouta's American husband leaving her for a "white legged woman", Abu? Seems like you should have something to say about that since you are in the same boat in your marriage. But, you didn't.

     

  • At 12:26 PM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    I dont know anything about her husband or their relationship and wouldnt want to speculate.

    I would wish them the best and a long and happy life.

    As to him wanting to leave her for a white woman, I would be the wrong person to ask on that score as well. I love Arab women and I find them attractive so I would not understand the basis of leaving on what seems nothing more than some racial issue as this seems to be.

    I can say, with some authority, that the children of Arab/white mixes are gorgeous. I know more than a few such children, including two of my own, and the match seems to be a good one!

    If they eventually plan to have children I am sure they will be very good looking. God willing they live long lives as well and are the apple of their parent's eye forever.

     

  • At 5:10 PM, Blogger Nouri said…

    I think it's funny how this is about "white legged women" as if Muslims were entirely brown and black. I have white legs. What is her husband going to leave her for, a Lebanese woman? A Bosniak? A Turk? It is just a mean thing to say that a white guy is going to leave his Arab wife for a white woman. I mean come on. I have heard of similar things being said by people before about the same or similar situations. I have a family friend who married a Romanian woman, and at the wedding his mother said that he would end up with an Arab "eventually" and that he would find one of his own kind soon enough. Another example happened when my aunt married a Moroccan man. She was really worried that her grandchildren would be "too dark", and she just didn't like Moroccans (neither did my grandfather). She would tell him that my aunt was going to leave him for an Algerian or for a Berber. She eventually gave up but this is not a new insult. It's dumb and old.

     

  • At 5:03 AM, Blogger NOMAD said…

    woaaa, oh my !

    I am on the inquisitor's red list for a fatwa

    I consider it as an honnor

    some other persons on it are estimable persons too

     

  • At 8:01 AM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    Nouri,

    I am with you 100%. I have met Palestinians and Syrians who look more white than I do. One Palestinian guy I met could have been my brother with as white and red haired as he was.

    I remember a few years ago meeting a nice young lady in hijab. I asked my wife she she converted. The young lady had blond hair, blue eyes, and was very white, she spoke English with no accent.

    My wife looked at me and said that she had never converted, she was half Palestinian and half Syrian.

    As to the skin colour thing, that has always got to me as well. In Islam the only thing that is supposed to mark a difference between people is piety, not skin colour or ethnicity, but you'd never know it in the Middle East where white skin is prized about all else. Nothing worse than being "samra" or "asmar".

    Almost 100% of the time when the people we knew saw our little boys after they were born commented on the fact that they both have my white skin colour,light eyes and blond hair, as if this was really important in the overall scheme of things.

    Personally, I find dark skin attractive, and I know that puts me at odds with many "traditional" cultures from India to Yemen.

    As to my Arab wife worrying about me leaving her for a pair of "white legs", no way. My wife would never worry about such a thing! We are very open as to what we like and dont like. My wife would be much more able to believe that I would be interested in a dark skinned Khaliji woman than a white woman.

    The good thing about experiencing multiple cultures is that you can keep the good and drop the bad. The obsession with skin colour that grips much of the Middle East and places like India is one part of culture better left behind.

     

  • At 4:02 PM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    some other persons on it are estimable persons too

    Yes? Such as?

    Abu Sinan,

    I remember a few years ago meeting a nice young lady in hijab. I asked my wife she she converted. The young lady had blond hair, blue eyes, and was very white, she spoke English with no accent.

    Yeah, we have a lot of Iranian women with "blond" hair and "blue" eyes here in Los Angeles. Somehow, though, the Iranian men all have black hair and dark eyes! Amazing, isn't it!? :P

    So, you have a fetish for Arab women? Is that why you converted? I'm tempted to take what you say at at face value, because I also have a thing for Mediterranean "types" even if they aren't from around the Med, but then again... I know you too well to take anything you say at face value.

     

  • At 6:03 PM, Blogger NOMAD said…

    Bruno - A white south african

    "An Italian" - some sort of Euro dirtbag

    Twosret - an Egyptian Copt who calls herself Chrsitian

    Nomad - a nasty French woman

    "Libyan Warrior" and all of his alter egos, a Berber born and raised in the USA.

    "Frenchman" - a guy who grew up in Indonesia and claims to be French, who likes to lie about his background

    tiens, no american lefty on this board ?

    at least, 3 europeans = 3 africans ;

    how about having us as particular guarde-corps so that your angelic halo keeps enlightening the the ignorant fools ?

     

  • At 6:25 PM, Blogger Nouri said…

    Yeah, we have a lot of Iranian women with "blond" hair and "blue" eyes here in Los Angeles. Somehow, though, the Iranian men all have black hair and dark eyes! Amazing, isn't it!? :P

    A lot of Lebanese blondes are realy blondes, especially from the north of the country, same is true for some Palestinians (especially the ones who have relations in Lebanon!). My grandmother who was Berber had redish-brown hair and blue/green eyes and olive skin. Real Iranian blondes in my experience are about as common as dodo birds. They do exist though. There are a lot of Afghans with those features as well.

     

  • At 8:30 PM, Blogger shlemazl said…

    Nouri,
    You seem to know exactly what you are talking about. Do you mind me asking how you found out that all these blondes were "really blondes"?

     

  • At 1:46 AM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    Nouri, what you say about North Africa doesn't surprise me. There's been a lot of mixture in NA over the centuries.

    I had an Afghan classmate a long time ago who told me there were blond haired people with blue eyes living in the mountains there. He attributed it to Alexander the great. That might be the case... the Macedonians were not blond/light eyed but he had many people from other places in his armies. Thracians, maybe. I think I read someplace that they were some sort of Celt.

    I'm kind of glad that it's going out of style for women to color their hair blond. I don't think it looks good, but it especially doesn't look good when it isn't natural. Sandy brown hair is pretty hideous too. Red hair and black hair are best, in my opinion :)

     

  • At 8:58 AM, Blogger أبو سنان said…

    My being a Muslim has nothing to do with the fact that I find Middle Eastern women good looking.

    I would have been more than able to find Christian Arab women, I know more than a few, or the Muslim Arab women than dont care about religion.

    I also find Indian women good looking, but I didnt convert to Hinduism, and find Hispanic women good looking but I am not a Roman Catholic.

    This played no role.

    As to the Palestinian/Syrian lady I thought was white, she was a true blond and I am pretty sure those were not contacts.

    Iranian women, or any other person who bleaches their hair blond, are pretty easy to spot. Often the type of blond they turn out to be is the type that is only usually found in platnum blonds in Sweden, Norway and Northern Germany.

    I dont like died hair of any type. I think women look best natural. That is also why I do not like lots of makeup either.

    For me dark eyes, dark hair and dark skin is the best.

    Until I moved to the Metro DC I had not had much contact with Ethiopians. After I moved here I found that Ethiopian women are often very good looking.

     

  • At 9:42 AM, Blogger The Moody Minstrel said…

    I'm kind of glad that it's going out of style for women to color their hair blond.

    Not here in Japan. My Japanese wife finally gave in and had hers dyed a very mild reddish-brown because she got fed up with people giving her crap about her black hair. They say non-dyed hair (i.e. black) makes you look fussy and unfriendly. Most guys here color their hair, too. That's why you won't find a single black-haired head on most Japanese national sports teams.

    To me that's a sign of an ethnic inferiority complex.

     

  • At 10:12 AM, Blogger Nouri said…

    You seem to know exactly what you are talking about. Do you mind me asking how you found out that all these blondes were "really blondes"?

    Well, because I've grown up with a few of them, and you can tell by the roots and the color that it isn't died. Not all blondes are real, but a great number of them are, in my experience.

     

  • At 11:28 AM, Blogger programmer craig said…

    Nouri,

    Well, because I've grown up with a few of them, and you can tell by the roots and the color that it isn't died. Not all blondes are real, but a great number of them are, in my experience.

    The majority of western women who are "blond" color their hair. It may be more difficult to detect because a lot of them are lightening their hair only a little, but you can see it for true by comparing how many more European type women are blond than men.

    By the way, I disagree with Abu Sinan that women with black hair always end up with platinum blond hair when they go blond. It depends on how much they spend on their dye job and what color they choose.

     

  • At 12:17 PM, Blogger Nouri said…

    I'd think it'd be pretty difficult to go from black to platinum...it seems like a big leap. I don't know much about hair dies though!

    BTW you find men, especially Syrian/Lebanese ones, with lighter hair than other Arabs. Look up Osama Siblani, the editor of the Arab American News, his hair is reddish-brown, or William Hawi (one of the former heads of the Kataeb). One of the guys on my floor at school is Syrian and has blondish-brown hair/beard. There are folktales and myths about large portions of the Maronite community having Crusader blood, especially the "nobles" (the research I've seen says that the actual blood is in small proportion). My Syrian/Leb relatives haven't got any of the "exotic" features, but I know more than a few family friends who do. Racial mixture has been common throughout the years in all parts of the Middle East. That's why a lot of southern Iraqis are much darker than your Syrian or Lebanese (there was/is a large number of black Africans that lived in Basra and mixed in the population). You have European/Caucus slaves having been used in Syria/Lebanon/north Iraq and African ones in southern Arab countries. There are many many fair skinned Algerians because of slavery in Algiers. The Berbers are a bit different from the city people in that (they didn't keep as many slaves from Europe if any).

     

  • At 5:45 AM, Blogger Um Naief said…

    girl, where are you? you haven't posted for a while? just taking a nice summer break? been to the beach??

     

  • At 8:33 AM, Blogger Bee said…

    uh... judging by the psychotic comments on this blog at the moment, leilouta can you PLEASE put everyone out of their misery because some of your readers (i don't need to say who) are turning feral.
    thanks!

     

  • At 11:08 AM, Blogger programmer craig said…

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